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<li class="language-selector__item" role="presentation">
<!-- Adding aria-label to both the li and the button because screen reader focus goes to button on desktop and li on mobile-->
<button aria-label="Suomi (Finnish)" class="font-sans text-xs link block py-[5px] px-2 w-full hover:cursor-pointer hover:bg-color-action hover:text-color-text-on-dark focus:bg-color-action focus:text-color-text-on-dark
language-selector__link !font-regular" data-tracking-control-name="language-selector-fi_FI" data-locale="fi_FI" role="menuitem" lang="fi_FI">
Suomi (Finnish)
</button>
</li>
<li class="language-selector__item" role="presentation">
<!-- Adding aria-label to both the li and the button because screen reader focus goes to button on desktop and li on mobile-->
<button aria-label="Français (French)" class="font-sans text-xs link block py-[5px] px-2 w-full hover:cursor-pointer hover:bg-color-action hover:text-color-text-on-dark focus:bg-color-action focus:text-color-text-on-dark
language-selector__link !font-regular" data-tracking-control-name="language-selector-fr_FR" data-locale="fr_FR" role="menuitem" lang="fr_FR">
Français (French)
</button>
</li>
<li class="language-selector__item" role="presentation">
<!-- Adding aria-label to both the li and the button because screen reader focus goes to button on desktop and li on mobile-->
<button aria-label="हिंदी (Hindi)" class="font-sans text-xs link block py-[5px] px-2 w-full hover:cursor-pointer hover:bg-color-action hover:text-color-text-on-dark focus:bg-color-action focus:text-color-text-on-dark
language-selector__link !font-regular" data-tracking-control-name="language-selector-hi_IN" data-locale="hi_IN" role="menuitem" lang="hi_IN">
हिंदी (Hindi)
</button>
</li>
<li class="language-selector__item" role="presentation">
<!-- Adding aria-label to both the li and the button because screen reader focus goes to button on desktop and li on mobile-->
<button aria-label="Magyar (Hungarian)" class="font-sans text-xs link block py-[5px] px-2 w-full hover:cursor-pointer hover:bg-color-action hover:text-color-text-on-dark focus:bg-color-action focus:text-color-text-on-dark
language-selector__link !font-regular" data-tracking-control-name="language-selector-hu_HU" data-locale="hu_HU" role="menuitem" lang="hu_HU">
Magyar (Hungarian)
</button>
</li>
<li class="language-selector__item" role="presentation">
<!-- Adding aria-label to both the li and the button because screen reader focus goes to button on desktop and li on mobile-->
<button aria-label="Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian)" class="font-sans text-xs link block py-[5px] px-2 w-full hover:cursor-pointer hover:bg-color-action hover:text-color-text-on-dark focus:bg-color-action focus:text-color-text-on-dark
language-selector__link !font-regular" data-tracking-control-name="language-selector-in_ID" data-locale="in_ID" role="menuitem" lang="in_ID">
Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian)
</button>
</li>
<li class="language-selector__item" role="presentation">
<!-- Adding aria-label to both the li and the button because screen reader focus goes to button on desktop and li on mobile-->
<button aria-label="Italiano (Italian)" class="font-sans text-xs link block py-[5px] px-2 w-full hover:cursor-pointer hover:bg-color-action hover:text-color-text-on-dark focus:bg-color-action focus:text-color-text-on-dark
language-selector__link !font-regular" data-tracking-control-name="language-selector-it_IT" data-locale="it_IT" role="menuitem" lang="it_IT">
Italiano (Italian)
</button>
</li>
<li class="language-selector__item" role="presentation">
<!-- Adding aria-label to both the li and the button because screen reader focus goes to button on desktop and li on mobile-->
<button aria-label="עברית (Hebrew)" class="font-sans text-xs link block py-[5px] px-2 w-full hover:cursor-pointer hover:bg-color-action hover:text-color-text-on-dark focus:bg-color-action focus:text-color-text-on-dark
language-selector__link !font-regular" data-tracking-control-name="language-selector-iw_IL" data-locale="iw_IL" role="menuitem" lang="iw_IL">
עברית (Hebrew)
</button>
</li>
<li class="language-selector__item" role="presentation">
<!-- Adding aria-label to both the li and the button because screen reader focus goes to button on desktop and li on mobile-->
<button aria-label="日本語 (Japanese)" class="font-sans text-xs link block py-[5px] px-2 w-full hover:cursor-pointer hover:bg-color-action hover:text-color-text-on-dark focus:bg-color-action focus:text-color-text-on-dark
language-selector__link !font-regular" data-tracking-control-name="language-selector-ja_JP" data-locale="ja_JP" role="menuitem" lang="ja_JP">
日本語 (Japanese)
</button>
</li>
<li class="language-selector__item" role="presentation">
<!-- Adding aria-label to both the li and the button because screen reader focus goes to button on desktop and li on mobile-->
<button aria-label="한국어 (Korean)" class="font-sans text-xs link block py-[5px] px-2 w-full hover:cursor-pointer hover:bg-color-action hover:text-color-text-on-dark focus:bg-color-action focus:text-color-text-on-dark
language-selector__link !font-regular" data-tracking-control-name="language-selector-ko_KR" data-locale="ko_KR" role="menuitem" lang="ko_KR">
한국어 (Korean)
</button>
</li>
<li class="language-selector__item" role="presentation">
<!-- Adding aria-label to both the li and the button because screen reader focus goes to button on desktop and li on mobile-->
<button aria-label="मराठी (Marathi)" class="font-sans text-xs link block py-[5px] px-2 w-full hover:cursor-pointer hover:bg-color-action hover:text-color-text-on-dark focus:bg-color-action focus:text-color-text-on-dark
language-selector__link !font-regular" data-tracking-control-name="language-selector-mr_IN" data-locale="mr_IN" role="menuitem" lang="mr_IN">
मराठी (Marathi)
</button>
</li>
<li class="language-selector__item" role="presentation">
<!-- Adding aria-label to both the li and the button because screen reader focus goes to button on desktop and li on mobile-->
<button aria-label="Bahasa Malaysia (Malay)" class="font-sans text-xs link block py-[5px] px-2 w-full hover:cursor-pointer hover:bg-color-action hover:text-color-text-on-dark focus:bg-color-action focus:text-color-text-on-dark
language-selector__link !font-regular" data-tracking-control-name="language-selector-ms_MY" data-locale="ms_MY" role="menuitem" lang="ms_MY">
Bahasa Malaysia (Malay)
</button>
</li>
<li class="language-selector__item" role="presentation">
<!-- Adding aria-label to both the li and the button because screen reader focus goes to button on desktop and li on mobile-->
<button aria-label="Nederlands (Dutch)" class="font-sans text-xs link block py-[5px] px-2 w-full hover:cursor-pointer hover:bg-color-action hover:text-color-text-on-dark focus:bg-color-action focus:text-color-text-on-dark
language-selector__link !font-regular" data-tracking-control-name="language-selector-nl_NL" data-locale="nl_NL" role="menuitem" lang="nl_NL">
Nederlands (Dutch)
</button>
</li>
<li class="language-selector__item" role="presentation">
<!-- Adding aria-label to both the li and the button because screen reader focus goes to button on desktop and li on mobile-->
<button aria-label="Norsk (Norwegian)" class="font-sans text-xs link block py-[5px] px-2 w-full hover:cursor-pointer hover:bg-color-action hover:text-color-text-on-dark focus:bg-color-action focus:text-color-text-on-dark
language-selector__link !font-regular" data-tracking-control-name="language-selector-no_NO" data-locale="no_NO" role="menuitem" lang="no_NO">
Norsk (Norwegian)
</button>
</li>
<li class="language-selector__item" role="presentation">
<!-- Adding aria-label to both the li and the button because screen reader focus goes to button on desktop and li on mobile-->
<button aria-label="ਪੰਜਾਬੀ (Punjabi)" class="font-sans text-xs link block py-[5px] px-2 w-full hover:cursor-pointer hover:bg-color-action hover:text-color-text-on-dark focus:bg-color-action focus:text-color-text-on-dark
language-selector__link !font-regular" data-tracking-control-name="language-selector-pa_IN" data-locale="pa_IN" role="menuitem" lang="pa_IN">
ਪੰਜਾਬੀ (Punjabi)
</button>
</li>
<li class="language-selector__item" role="presentation">
<!-- Adding aria-label to both the li and the button because screen reader focus goes to button on desktop and li on mobile-->
<button aria-label="Polski (Polish)" class="font-sans text-xs link block py-[5px] px-2 w-full hover:cursor-pointer hover:bg-color-action hover:text-color-text-on-dark focus:bg-color-action focus:text-color-text-on-dark
language-selector__link !font-regular" data-tracking-control-name="language-selector-pl_PL" data-locale="pl_PL" role="menuitem" lang="pl_PL">
Polski (Polish)
</button>
</li>
<li class="language-selector__item" role="presentation">
<!-- Adding aria-label to both the li and the button because screen reader focus goes to button on desktop and li on mobile-->
<button aria-label="Português (Portuguese)" class="font-sans text-xs link block py-[5px] px-2 w-full hover:cursor-pointer hover:bg-color-action hover:text-color-text-on-dark focus:bg-color-action focus:text-color-text-on-dark
language-selector__link !font-regular" data-tracking-control-name="language-selector-pt_BR" data-locale="pt_BR" role="menuitem" lang="pt_BR">
Português (Portuguese)
</button>
</li>
<li class="language-selector__item" role="presentation">
<!-- Adding aria-label to both the li and the button because screen reader focus goes to button on desktop and li on mobile-->
<button aria-label="Română (Romanian)" class="font-sans text-xs link block py-[5px] px-2 w-full hover:cursor-pointer hover:bg-color-action hover:text-color-text-on-dark focus:bg-color-action focus:text-color-text-on-dark
language-selector__link !font-regular" data-tracking-control-name="language-selector-ro_RO" data-locale="ro_RO" role="menuitem" lang="ro_RO">
Română (Romanian)
</button>
</li>
<li class="language-selector__item" role="presentation">
<!-- Adding aria-label to both the li and the button because screen reader focus goes to button on desktop and li on mobile-->
<button aria-label="Русский (Russian)" class="font-sans text-xs link block py-[5px] px-2 w-full hover:cursor-pointer hover:bg-color-action hover:text-color-text-on-dark focus:bg-color-action focus:text-color-text-on-dark
language-selector__link !font-regular" data-tracking-control-name="language-selector-ru_RU" data-locale="ru_RU" role="menuitem" lang="ru_RU">
Русский (Russian)
</button>
</li>
<li class="language-selector__item" role="presentation">
<!-- Adding aria-label to both the li and the button because screen reader focus goes to button on desktop and li on mobile-->
<button aria-label="Svenska (Swedish)" class="font-sans text-xs link block py-[5px] px-2 w-full hover:cursor-pointer hover:bg-color-action hover:text-color-text-on-dark focus:bg-color-action focus:text-color-text-on-dark
language-selector__link !font-regular" data-tracking-control-name="language-selector-sv_SE" data-locale="sv_SE" role="menuitem" lang="sv_SE">
Svenska (Swedish)
</button>
</li>
<li class="language-selector__item" role="presentation">
<!-- Adding aria-label to both the li and the button because screen reader focus goes to button on desktop and li on mobile-->
<button aria-label="తెలుగు (Telugu)" class="font-sans text-xs link block py-[5px] px-2 w-full hover:cursor-pointer hover:bg-color-action hover:text-color-text-on-dark focus:bg-color-action focus:text-color-text-on-dark
language-selector__link !font-regular" data-tracking-control-name="language-selector-te_IN" data-locale="te_IN" role="menuitem" lang="te_IN">
తెలుగు (Telugu)
</button>
</li>
<li class="language-selector__item" role="presentation">
<!-- Adding aria-label to both the li and the button because screen reader focus goes to button on desktop and li on mobile-->
<button aria-label="ภาษาไทย (Thai)" class="font-sans text-xs link block py-[5px] px-2 w-full hover:cursor-pointer hover:bg-color-action hover:text-color-text-on-dark focus:bg-color-action focus:text-color-text-on-dark
language-selector__link !font-regular" data-tracking-control-name="language-selector-th_TH" data-locale="th_TH" role="menuitem" lang="th_TH">
ภาษาไทย (Thai)
</button>
</li>
<li class="language-selector__item" role="presentation">
<!-- Adding aria-label to both the li and the button because screen reader focus goes to button on desktop and li on mobile-->
<button aria-label="Tagalog (Tagalog)" class="font-sans text-xs link block py-[5px] px-2 w-full hover:cursor-pointer hover:bg-color-action hover:text-color-text-on-dark focus:bg-color-action focus:text-color-text-on-dark
language-selector__link !font-regular" data-tracking-control-name="language-selector-tl_PH" data-locale="tl_PH" role="menuitem" lang="tl_PH">
Tagalog (Tagalog)
</button>
</li>
<li class="language-selector__item" role="presentation">
<!-- Adding aria-label to both the li and the button because screen reader focus goes to button on desktop and li on mobile-->
<button aria-label="Türkçe (Turkish)" class="font-sans text-xs link block py-[5px] px-2 w-full hover:cursor-pointer hover:bg-color-action hover:text-color-text-on-dark focus:bg-color-action focus:text-color-text-on-dark
language-selector__link !font-regular" data-tracking-control-name="language-selector-tr_TR" data-locale="tr_TR" role="menuitem" lang="tr_TR">
Türkçe (Turkish)
</button>
</li>
<li class="language-selector__item" role="presentation">
<!-- Adding aria-label to both the li and the button because screen reader focus goes to button on desktop and li on mobile-->
<button aria-label="Українська (Ukrainian)" class="font-sans text-xs link block py-[5px] px-2 w-full hover:cursor-pointer hover:bg-color-action hover:text-color-text-on-dark focus:bg-color-action focus:text-color-text-on-dark
language-selector__link !font-regular" data-tracking-control-name="language-selector-uk_UA" data-locale="uk_UA" role="menuitem" lang="uk_UA">
Українська (Ukrainian)
</button>
</li>
<li class="language-selector__item" role="presentation">
<!-- Adding aria-label to both the li and the button because screen reader focus goes to button on desktop and li on mobile-->
<button aria-label="Tiếng Việt (Vietnamese)" class="font-sans text-xs link block py-[5px] px-2 w-full hover:cursor-pointer hover:bg-color-action hover:text-color-text-on-dark focus:bg-color-action focus:text-color-text-on-dark
language-selector__link !font-regular" data-tracking-control-name="language-selector-vi_VN" data-locale="vi_VN" role="menuitem" lang="vi_VN">
Tiếng Việt (Vietnamese)
</button>
</li>
<li class="language-selector__item" role="presentation">
<!-- Adding aria-label to both the li and the button because screen reader focus goes to button on desktop and li on mobile-->
<button aria-label="简体中文 (Chinese (Simplified))" class="font-sans text-xs link block py-[5px] px-2 w-full hover:cursor-pointer hover:bg-color-action hover:text-color-text-on-dark focus:bg-color-action focus:text-color-text-on-dark
language-selector__link !font-regular" data-tracking-control-name="language-selector-zh_CN" data-locale="zh_CN" role="menuitem" lang="zh_CN">
简体中文 (Chinese (Simplified))
</button>
</li>
<li class="language-selector__item" role="presentation">
<!-- Adding aria-label to both the li and the button because screen reader focus goes to button on desktop and li on mobile-->
<button aria-label="正體中文 (Chinese (Traditional))" class="font-sans text-xs link block py-[5px] px-2 w-full hover:cursor-pointer hover:bg-color-action hover:text-color-text-on-dark focus:bg-color-action focus:text-color-text-on-dark
language-selector__link !font-regular" data-tracking-control-name="language-selector-zh_TW" data-locale="zh_TW" role="menuitem" lang="zh_TW">
正體中文 (Chinese (Traditional))
</button>
</li>
<!---->
</ul>
<button class="language-selector__button select-none relative pr-2 font-sans text-xs font-bold text-color-text-low-emphasis hover:text-color-link-hover hover:cursor-pointer focus:text-color-link-focus focus:outline-dotted focus:outline-1" aria-expanded="false" data-tracking-control-name="footer-lang-dropdown_trigger">
<span class="language-selector__label-text mr-0.5 break-words">
Language
</span>
<icon class="language-selector__label-chevron w-2 h-2 absolute top-0 right-0" data-delayed-url="https://static.licdn.com/aero-v1/sc/h/cyolgscd0imw2ldqppkrb84vo"></icon>
</button>
</div>
</li>
</ul>
<!----> </footer>
<div class="contextual-sign-in-modal" data-impression-id="public_post_contextual-sign-in-modal" data-cool-off-enabled data-show-on-page-load data-show-delay-ms="15000">
<!---->
<div class>
<!---->
<div id="public_post_contextual-sign-in" class="modal modal--contextual-sign-in modal--contextual-sign-in-v2 modal--contextual-sign-in-v2--stacked" data-outlet="public_post_contextual-sign-in">
<!----> <div class="modal__overlay flex items-center bg-color-background-scrim justify-center fixed bottom-0 left-0 right-0 top-0 opacity-0 invisible pointer-events-none z-[1000] transition-[opacity] ease-[cubic-bezier(0.25,0.1,0.25,1.0)] duration-[0.17s]
py-4
" aria-hidden="true">
<section aria-modal="true" role="dialog" aria-labelledby="public_post_contextual-sign-in-modal-header" tabindex="-1" class="max-h-full modal__wrapper overflow-auto p-0 bg-color-surface max-w-[1128px] min-h-[160px] relative scale-[0.25] shadow-sm shadow-color-border-faint transition-[transform] ease-[cubic-bezier(0.25,0.1,0.25,1.0)] duration-[0.33s] focus:outline-0
w-[1128px] mamabear:w-[744px] babybear:w-[360px]
rounded-md">
<button class="modal__dismiss btn-tertiary h-[40px] w-[40px] p-0 rounded-full indent-0
contextual-sign-in-modal__modal-dismiss absolute right-0 m-[20px] cursor-pointer" aria-label="Dismiss" data-tracking-control-name="public_post_contextual-sign-in-modal_modal_dismiss">
<icon class="contextual-sign-in-modal__modal-dismiss-icon" data-delayed-url="https://static.licdn.com/aero-v1/sc/h/gs508lg3t2o81tq7pmcgn6m2"></icon>
</button>
<div class="modal__main w-full">
<div class="flex overflow-hidden contextual-sign-in-modal__layout--stacked">
<div class="contextual-sign-in-modal__left-content">
<div role="img" aria-label class="inline-block relative hue-web-entity__image bg-cover bg-center
w-8 h-8
contextual-sign-in-modal__img mx-auto" data-delayed-url="https://static.licdn.com/aero-v1/sc/h/5k9cgtx8rhoyqkcxfoncu1svl" data-delayed-background data-ghost-classes="bg-color-entity-ghost-background" data-ghost-url="https://static.licdn.com/aero-v1/sc/h/9l8dv1r8a09nem281grvopn9l"></div>
<h2 class="contextual-sign-in-modal__context-screen-title font-sans text-lg text-color-text mt-2 mb-1 text-center" id="public_post_contextual-sign-in-modal-header">
Sign in to view more content
</h2>
<div class="contextual-sign-in-modal__divider left-right-divider"></div>
<p class="contextual-sign-in-modal__subtitle mt-1 mb-2 babybear:mx-0 text-center font-sans text-xs text-color-text-low-emphasis">
<!----> <span>Create your free account or sign in to continue your search</span>
</p>
</div>
<div class="contextual-sign-in-modal__right-content">
<div class="contextual-sign-in-modal__google-sign-in-primary w-full">
<div class="google-auth-button">
<!----> <div class="google-auth-button__placeholder mx-auto
" data-theme="filled_blue" data-logo-alignment="center" data-locale="en_US" role="button" aria-label="Continue with google"></div>
<!----> </div>
</div>
<code id="i18n_sign_in_form_show_text" style="display: none"><!--"Show"--></code>
<code id="i18n_sign_in_form_show_label" style="display: none"><!--"Show your LinkedIn password"--></code>
<code id="i18n_sign_in_form_hide_text" style="display: none"><!--"Hide"--></code>
<code id="i18n_sign_in_form_hide_label" style="display: none"><!--"Hide your LinkedIn password"--></code>
<code id="i18n_username_error_empty" style="display: none"><!--"Please enter an email address or phone number"--></code>
<code id="i18n_username_error_too_long" style="display: none"><!--"Email or phone number must be between 3 to 128 characters"--></code>
<code id="i18n_username_error_too_short" style="display: none"><!--"Email or phone number must be between 3 to 128 characters"--></code>
<code id="i18n_password_error_empty" style="display: none"><!--"Please enter a password"--></code>
<code id="i18n_password_error_too_short" style="display: none"><!--"The password you provided must have at least 6 characters"--></code>
<code id="i18n_password_error_too_long" style="display: none"><!--"The password you provided must have at most 400 characters"--></code>
<!----> <form data-id="sign-in-form" action="https://www.linkedin.com/uas/login-submit" method="post" novalidate class="contextual-sign-in-modal__sign-in-form mb-1 hidden">
<input name="loginCsrfParam" value="f9ac2a79-e814-490c-8dba-338c72ed76d1" type="hidden">
<div class="flex flex-col">
<div class="mt-1.5" data-js-module-id="guest-input">
<div class="flex flex-col">
<label class="input-label mb-1" for="csm-v2_session_key">
Email or phone
</label>
<div class="text-input flex">
<input class="text-color-text font-sans text-md outline-0 bg-color-transparent w-full" autocomplete="username" id="csm-v2_session_key" name="session_key" required data-tracking-control-name="csm-v2_sign-in-session-key" data-tracking-client-ingraph type="text">
</div>
</div>
<p class="input-helper mt-1.5" for="csm-v2_session_key" role="alert" data-js-module-id="guest-input__message"></p>
</div>
<div class="mt-1.5" data-js-module-id="guest-input">
<div class="flex flex-col">
<label class="input-label mb-1" for="csm-v2_session_password">
Password
</label>
<div class="text-input flex">
<input class="text-color-text font-sans text-md outline-0 bg-color-transparent w-full" autocomplete="current-password" id="csm-v2_session_password" name="session_password" required data-tracking-control-name="csm-v2_sign-in-password" data-tracking-client-ingraph type="password">
<button aria-live="assertive" aria-relevant="text" data-id="sign-in-form__password-visibility-toggle" class="font-sans text-md font-bold text-color-action z-10 ml-[12px] hover:cursor-pointer" aria-label="Show your LinkedIn password" data-tracking-control-name="csm-v2_sign-in-password-visibility-toggle-btn" type="button">Show</button>
</div>
</div>
<p class="input-helper mt-1.5" for="csm-v2_session_password" role="alert" data-js-module-id="guest-input__message"></p>
</div>
<input name="session_redirect" value="https://www.linkedin.com/posts/vassil-popovski-38544a_you-are-not-facebook-google-or-uber-you-activity-7209281234160537603-baWL" type="hidden">
<!----> </div>
<div data-id="sign-in-form__footer" class="flex justify-between
sign-in-form__footer--full-width">
<a data-id="sign-in-form__forgot-password" class="font-sans text-md font-bold link leading-regular
sign-in-form__forgot-password--full-width" href="https://www.linkedin.com/uas/request-password-reset?trk=csm-v2_forgot_password" data-tracking-control-name="csm-v2_forgot_password" data-tracking-will-navigate>Forgot password?</a>
<!---->
<input name="trk" value="csm-v2_sign-in-submit" type="hidden">
<button class="btn-md btn-primary flex-shrink-0 cursor-pointer
sign-in-form__submit-btn--full-width" data-id="sign-in-form__submit-btn" data-tracking-control-name="csm-v2_sign-in-submit-btn" data-tracking-client-ingraph data-tracking-litms type="submit">
Sign in
</button>
</div>
<!----> </form>
<!----><!---->
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<icon class="inline-block align-middle h-[24px] w-[24px] mr-0.5" data-delayed-url="https://static.licdn.com/aero-v1/sc/h/9w7euj0n5gnk6np2akf853sm3"></icon>
<span class="self-center">Sign in with Email</span>
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or
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<div class="google-auth-button">
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New to LinkedIn? <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/signup/cold-join?session_redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Elinkedin%2Ecom%2Fposts%2Fvassil-popovski-38544a_you-are-not-facebook-google-or-uber-you-activity-7209281234160537603-baWL&trk=public_post_contextual-sign-in-modal_join-link" data-tracking-control-name="public_post_contextual-sign-in-modal_join-link" data-tracking-will-navigate="true" class="contextual-sign-in-modal__join-link">Join now</a>
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By clicking Continue to join or sign in, you agree to LinkedIn’s <a href="/legal/user-agreement?trk=linkedin-tc_auth-button_user-agreement" target="_blank" data-tracking-control-name="linkedin-tc_auth-button_user-agreement" data-tracking-will-navigate="true">User Agreement</a>, <a href="/legal/privacy-policy?trk=linkedin-tc_auth-button_privacy-policy" target="_blank" data-tracking-control-name="linkedin-tc_auth-button_privacy-policy" data-tracking-will-navigate="true">Privacy Policy</a>, and <a href="/legal/cookie-policy?trk=linkedin-tc_auth-button_cookie-policy" target="_blank" data-tracking-control-name="linkedin-tc_auth-button_cookie-policy" data-tracking-will-navigate="true">Cookie Policy</a>.
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<div class="toast container-raised flex
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</button>
</div>
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<template id="toast-icon-caution">
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</template>
<template id="toast-icon-error">
<icon class="text-color-icon-negative toast__icon w-3 h-3 shrink-0 mr-2" data-delayed-url="https://static.licdn.com/aero-v1/sc/h/8c0098stai8lcqypn95r47dew"></icon>
</template>
<template id="toast-icon-gdpr">
<icon class="text-color-icon-neutral toast__icon w-3 h-3 shrink-0 mr-2" data-delayed-url="https://static.licdn.com/aero-v1/sc/h/a9phzx7id2abubo45lgookfd"></icon>
</template>
<template id="toast-icon-notify">
<icon class="text-color-icon-neutral toast__icon w-3 h-3 shrink-0 mr-2" data-delayed-url="https://static.licdn.com/aero-v1/sc/h/4xg53nt8deu1y7tb1t3km8tfh"></icon>
</template>
<template id="toast-icon-success">
<icon class="text-color-icon-positive toast__icon w-3 h-3 shrink-0 mr-2" data-delayed-url="https://static.licdn.com/aero-v1/sc/h/9zhm3eh2dq7vh2muo8xnfikxh"></icon>
</template>
<template id="toast-cta">
<a class="toast__cta cta-link font-medium ml-0.5 text-sm text-inherit inline" target="_blank"></a>
</template>
</div>
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